Joe Rogan Experience #1501 - James Lindsay

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    PowerfulJRE

    Trukmė: 3:02:46

    James Lindsay is an author, mathematician, and political commentator. His latest book, co-authored with Helen Pluckrose, Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody will be available on August 25, 2020.

hoomalumalu
hoomalumalu

how far will it go? it will go as far as we allow it to.

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Outsider_scratch_III
Outsider_scratch_III

can you do jimmy fallon next, i just want to see wtf hes like in an interview situation that lasts longer than 5 minuites where he isnt constantly pretending to laugh

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D G
D G

#LetHerSpeak #BeBoldVoteGold #JorgensenCohen2020

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Jason Moore
Jason Moore

Joe is WRONG when he says we don’t have a roadmap to where this type of stuff leads. The 20th century is the clearest roadmap possible for where the goal of “equity” drives society, and that destination is genocide.

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Isabel Page
Isabel Page

Are these wokers going to suddenly say 'yah suckers it was a joke!'

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James H
James H

Why do we even need to have these conversations. Like seriously....its like discussing the nuances of whether the sky is blue and grass is green

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James H
James H

@Kit Mooney Haha brilliant that's exactly it isn't it

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Kit Mooney
Kit Mooney

Woke person: Just because you see the sky is blue doesn't mean others can't have their own perspectives on it. What about the colour-blind? Ever considered their views? We need a diversity of views. Declaring the sky being blue as if it is true for all people is thought-imperialism and oppressive and vision-privilege.

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mischke
mischke

I find it interesting that they think facebook is a strange place but they're avid twitter users.

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Christopher
Christopher

Stand up in groups. Groups are strong. The lone individual can be made to look like an accident.

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MsEmaan1234
MsEmaan1234

For someone who is keen on definitions (and I totally agree), Mr. Lindsay shows a lack of understanding about the word "fascism." Right after seeing he believes in everyone having "a lot of freedom," he says that fascism means "actually a functioning society." However, the fasces (which were bundles of axes and rods) were wielded by magistrates in Ancient Rome to demonstrate (and probably enforce) their power of life and death. Doesn't sound like freedom to me!

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Liam Smith
Liam Smith

Fascism in their opinion. Not in reality. Rewatch that.

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JDoornbos
JDoornbos

54:45 I really hope Joe stopped the interview so James could pee. That quick "I have to pee" between statements is giving me sympathetic anxiety.

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Michael Masters
Michael Masters

I see movie running man coming

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Michael Masters
Michael Masters

Ok so u can beat a woman as long as he's identified as a woman at the time makes so much sense

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Dorian S
Dorian S

It’s interesting how it’s typically white people that want to have these deep talks about racism but they’re not racist at all even after they say something racist

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Dorian S
Dorian S

@Kit Mooney i don’t care if you don’t think anything racist was said thanks K

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Kit Mooney
Kit Mooney

Plenty of black people have these deep talks about racism. search for any video by Coleman Hughes on youtube. Also, nothing racist was said in this interview

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zachary burdette
zachary burdette

Does anybody have a link to the dog park thing?

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kwazhims3lf
kwazhims3lf

james lindsay, on society, culture, education.. the education future leaders are bringing to government positions of power....... 2.6 million views drug ass, useless "huhhh huuhhh i smoke pot a lot" post mallone .... 16 million views.... wtf people... wtf

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Saidu Fofanah
Saidu Fofanah

I feel like people come up here and just say anything

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Julianna H ꨄ
Julianna H ꨄ

I have no problem saying trans women are trans women, not women. When they come for me, which they always do, I say to them that's a problem only if you don't see them as human as the rest of us, and would only find their humanity worthy if they weren't themselves and were _actual_ woman. That usually shuts them up lol.

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Kit Mooney
Kit Mooney

I usually just say, well, if they can't get an abortion then they're not women.

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Saiamit Chaddha
Saiamit Chaddha

God Is Great, May God Bless them all and you all and your families. Jesus Christ Is Lord and Is The Only Way To Heaven🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️❤️

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Saiamit Chaddha
Saiamit Chaddha

Thank God He is Ok Now🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️❤️❤️

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

“In a 1959 conversation between Ezra Taft Benson, then Secretary of Agriculture, and Premier Nikita Khrushchev, Khrushchev predicted that America would take on communism gradually through socialism. Like ancient Israel, Jacob's descendants will be the authors of their own destruction. Herbert Marcuse and Saul Alinsky, two modern-day Balaams who introduced a more pragmatic, but also more virulent form of Marxism into American academia, facilitated this self-destruction by creating a new "proletariat" of "victim groups," the bedrock of identity politics, pitting one gender against another, one race against another, one age group against another. In 1965, Marcuse and Alinsky introduced the concept of "partisan tolerance" into political parlance, which has mutated into the deadly pathogen called "political correctness"—a tolerance for evil and a stigmatization and ultimate persecution of righteousness and God's Laws. The endorsing of infanticide and sodomy by the American government and many of her citizens is one indication that the offspring of Jacob have failed to model God's righteousness to the world. Back in 1959, President Eisenhower asked Ezra Taft Benson, Secretary of Agriculture, to teach Nikita Khrushchev, Premier of the Soviet Union, some rudiments of American Agriculture. With their respective translators at their sides, Nikita Khrushchev and Ezra Taft Benson had the following conversation: “Your children will live under communism.” Khrushchev said. “On the contrary,” Secretary Benson replied, “My grandchildren will live in freedom as I hope that all people will.” Khrushchev then retorted: “You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”” Source: https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/commentary/id/4939/marxism-academia-origins-political-correctness.htm

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

Obama was friends with the founder of the critical race theory, the Harvard dude, and Herbert Marcuse was associated with Saul Alinsky who was the mentor of Hillary Clinton....how about piecing up the puzzle? P.S. My comment about the book by Jung Chang “Three daughters of China” was deleted? Sensorship because the book is still banned in China? I hope not!

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

To James (again): For an insight for why minorities aren’t doing very well read Thomas Sowell’s books. Period.

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

To James: The fact that the editor made you feel bad after you revealed the BS involved in their peer reviewing process is a testament to how deceptive these people are. For crying out loud they are feeding this BS to the world and "you felt bad" for exposing them? You should feel great and they should feel lousy because their work is actually lousy and totally bonkers!

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

Joe: "How did that happen?" : Listen to Yuri Bezmenov's (ex KGB agent - a defector to the West) lectures and interview and you'll know exactly how that happened.

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C_R_O_M__________
C_R_O_M__________

To James Lindzay: If you haven't yet read "Wild Swans: Three daughters of China" by Jung Chang (a Chinese defector and the first Chinese citizen to ever get a PhD in the West) do it now! The title is still banned in China and it is an epiphany in terms of the similarities to what we see today in the States. The "confession sessions" on anti-communist thought was a daily routine in Mao's China. It reminded me what you mentioned on how brown people are "getting trained" to monitor their thoughts on racism, discrimination, etc. This is exactly what these ideologues are pushing forward, a thought police of totalitarian nature and proportions similar to Mao's practices.

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HoLland-a-Saucy
HoLland-a-Saucy

More people should read Terry Pratchett's satire book Nightwatch. "They didn't think 'this is how people are, how do we deal with it' they thought 'this is how people are, how do we change them.'

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Pavel Shliaha
Pavel Shliaha

Great podcast, but FYI: Jeff Bezos is one of the worst humans alive. His business model is exploitation and intimidation of workers and tax evasion.

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Doug Smith
Doug Smith

One of the best interviews I've heard in a long time.

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Jay Gerlach
Jay Gerlach

The playbook is "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky

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Nigel1048
Nigel1048

Can you go out and do a vox pop on the street, and ask "how much impact do transgender issues and transgender rights issues have on your life and how much time do you spend thinking about it?"

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Nigel1048
Nigel1048

Come the Revolution these two are the first on my list. It's the Handmaid's Tale. It's Soviet Russia. It's Nazi Germany. No, it's not. Idiots. Eek eeek the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Idiots!

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Liam Smith
Liam Smith

WAT

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ALM
ALM

Please bring Larry Elders and Brandon Tatum from the channel "the Officer Tatum" on JRE.

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4Truth
4Truth

22:21 And there it is folks.

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ALM
ALM

26:14 They had him arrested and in the police car at first. George Floyed kept asking to be let out of the car because he couldn’t breathe.

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Jacob Settle
Jacob Settle

“That’s not going to be good for business...that’s not going to be good for anybody.” 😂😂 - The Kenny Roger’s Roasted Chicken episode #Seinfeld 🙌🏼

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Marcara081
Marcara081

"George Floyd case is fairly straightforward." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! no

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The Gay Rascal
The Gay Rascal

“I‘m a woman.“ “You‘re a trans woman.“ “No! I am a woman!“ “Ok, then shut up about your trans struggle.“ There. End of discussion.

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robert frost
robert frost

Boom . Roasted.

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Jen Curtis
Jen Curtis

Joe get Coleman Hughes on already!!

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NarDawg
NarDawg

Lindsay is such a great orator. Very easy to listen to and amazingly brilliant

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Chris
Chris

"Corporations are there to make money, that's the point. " Therein lies the problem. Existing to make money as your primary objective, rather than first provide something beneficial and be able to profit from it as well. Profit first is parasitic and leads to all kinds of other evils.

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Chris
Chris

@Cave Vendit Sounds like we are pretty much on the same page. It does seem to me though that too many companies are concerned or becoming more concerned about investor returns than customer satisfaction. I've experienced it with the Toyota I just bought in 2019. It had an obvious problem with the transmission and mine wasn't the only one exhibiting the issue, yet Toyota insisted it was normal. Eight months later they quietly released an ECM workaround update to avoid triggering the problem. Car manufacturers have been doing this garbage for years and don't bother doing the right thing unless they're forced to either because of fines and/or a lot of bad press which would affect sales. The company I mentioned working for that put investor returns above customer satisfaction is a well known defense contractor.

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Cave Vendit
Cave Vendit

@Chris I agree, with this clarification. If the business is started solely to make a profit, then it lacks vision and purpose, and it has a poor reason for being. But most entrepreneurs start businesses with the vision and purpose of bringing something new into the world that is insanely awesome for customers. Then, if they are doing something that benefits a lot of people, profit pops out. As businesses live on, they must have profit, which is like oxygen, but to live only for profit and not a higher purpose is the wrong way of running a business. Customers can often tell which businesses are working for them, and which ones are working just for profit. And the free market and stock market typically reward businesses that have true purpose and vision, and punish those that don't.

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Chris
Chris

@Cave Vendit Okay. My original point though is that there is something fundamentally wrong about going into business thinking primarily about profit and what's in it for you and your investors. It's a given that any business venture needs to make profit, but if you only get into a business because of a desire to profit above providing a quality product or service, that's a problem. That's a huge problem with the way the stock market works, in that you end up with a system where a company's primary focus ends up being what's going to be best for investors as opposed to doing what's right by the consumer that is actually buying your product or service. I actually worked for a company that advertised to the employees in their list of company values that investor returns were a higher priority than customer satisfaction. There's something fundamentally wrong with that, and when it comes time to make a "tough" decision and "do the right thing", you're going to end up short changing your customer because you put profit over your customer.

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Cave Vendit
Cave Vendit

@Chris From basic microeconomics and the supply and demand curves, to the left of the equilibrium point all of the transactions are profitable for both supplier and consumer, because the equilibrium price is above the marginal cost, and the equilibrium price is below the consumer's reserve price. And from a basic emotional perspective, every good transaction has a bit of delight in it, and this springs from the fact that the price you paid is less than the value of the item. It's hardly the case that you engage in a long series of purchases, all of which you are completely indifferent about.

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Chris
Chris

@Cave Vendit you missed my point entirely. And trust me, consumers are not profiting more than they're paying. A free market doesn't allow that to happen.

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Chris
Chris

People need to quit being cowards, scared to get fired, etc. That's why all of this craziness has gotten out of control, most people with common sense are too afraid to resist.

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Chris
Chris

Not sure why James is a fan of Obama, he's part of the wokeness. Race relations became an issue under his administration as well. And why does the conversation about civil war devolve into "who's the union" with the answer being "the liberals". I'm confused, liberals have been associated with the wacky left for a long time now and they don't care about the constitution, no matter what they say. Your typical conservative does care about the constitution. I guess he means classical liberalism...

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Chris
Chris

One problem with black families not accumulating wealth is fatherless families which is enabled by government policy.

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Chris
Chris

James, you're not the only one that's been seeing this stuff. The govt has been pushing this stuff on its employees for years now. Thankfully, Trump wrote his executive order to stop divisive race training for federal employees.

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Danny Mulligan
Danny Mulligan

James, you are not being precise with trans language. All the confusion comes from the distinction between sex and gender. “Trans women are women” means that their gender identity is woman. They feel they are women and if they choose she/her, they want you to refer to them in that way. “Trans women are women” does not mean that the two are identical in terms of biological sex. I have never heard of a trans woman who biologically transitioned and then started claiming she has a uterus and can birth a child. If that exists, please show me. You are right that precision matters, so let’s be precise about words for gender identity, expression, role, and biological sex (and all its constituent parts).

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Harry Flashman
Harry Flashman

George Floyd: and what happens to the officers if they cuff a guy who then throws a fit and injures themselves. ie: repeatedly bashing their head against the road. Because it happens. People will fake an attack to throw fault on the person enforcing a rule. As an ex-bouncer I have experienced a mass of tricks to either avoid being ejected from the premises or to escape fault after they've bashed another patron or staff. The criminal class is very experienced at getting away with their activities.

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Sigbjørn Sand Johansen
Sigbjørn Sand Johansen

James Lindsay is kinda like the mad scientist character in the movies who injects himself with the virus so that he can find the cure.

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Humble Guy
Humble Guy

That’s an awesome analogy sir!

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Prince Jekko
Prince Jekko

1:45:49

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roundedges2
roundedges2

The French word for soldier is soldat— “sold-AH” (The “t” is silent)

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K R
K R

James Lindsay - "I just want to save the world!" Give me a break! As soon as Joe started to disagree with some of his crazy talk, he was all over him. He says BLM is bad and we need to fix issues for minorities but offers NO solution. Goes on and on about Antifah etc. One big vote for Trump ad. Joe had his spine removed by a guy who thinks he knows everything because he reads a lot and had a Jesus complex whose political persuasion is obvious. Lindsay and Joe are Trump supporters. I guess we will see more of this crap leading up to the elections. He says his own family won't talk to him anymore - I completely understand why. He talks about a hidden agenda... HE has a hidden agenda also.

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Zi Yan Lau
Zi Yan Lau

It does seem the critical theory people are half right. They do seem to be able to change society by engineering people's thoughts.

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Secretariat Belmont
Secretariat Belmont

32:35 James is referring to what seems like the term “sociological imagination.” Its a concept taught in Sociology 100 in college. Imagine some other scientific field where ‘imagination’ fits in. “Biological Imagination” and “Chemical Imagination” sound absurd, and I think “Sociological Imagination” should be seen as similarly absurd. If this pattern of thinking and behavior continues like it has, I fear we’re heading into another Dark Age in human history. Each person must have the courage to strategically combat this and not expect others to do it for us.

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J B
J B

Caste system

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Cc Cc
Cc Cc

It’s a pecking order and they peck each other to death! It’s interesting how human result to the primal nature of hierarchy. It’s truly a humanity issue within not acknowledging humanity and it’s complexities.

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Chris McCoyne
Chris McCoyne

there's no reason to pretend like these crazywokes and postmoderncommunists mean well in any way, it's not like they intend to do good but simply go to far or don't get it quite right, actually they are absolutely evil and only intend to destroy Western culture and civilization, destroy lifes, fckwith peoples minds, normalising abnormality, ruining sports, tvprograms and movies, enable childabuse. they are like those mind controlling parasites that Joe talks about sometimes.

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Chris McCoyne
Chris McCoyne

These wokepsychos are destroying Western civilization which is the only civilization in history that developed the human rights women's rights and animal rights based on the Judeo-Christian principals as they are today a standard in the West and in a few other countries influenced by the West. And while this crazy and absolutely evil idiology has been poisoning everything here for years, most of the rest of the world still lacks the most basic human, women and animal rights principles. The wokepsychos don't care about that because they are absolutely evil people and only interested in destruction and not in helping at all.

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Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend
Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend

You cant be overweight and healthy but you can be fat. Think of football linemen

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mark mays
mark mays

lin

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Jon Astronaut
Jon Astronaut

My theory is that when they start pushing the porn industry around, they will awaken the lion, and porn will crush them instantaneously.

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E E
E E

There is actually a german dude that has a really strong case of torettes wich makes him say racial slurs and even start the firealarm some times. He actually has a YT channel with 1mio.+ follower :D

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Viktor
Viktor

They were dead wrong about George Floyd. He OD'd. Read the autopsy. He had NO TRAUMA on his neck. Chauvin wasn't even putting his weight on his neck. Watch the finally released body cam footage. I'm FED UP with this idea that he "murdered" Floyd and I'm FED UP with the idea that racial animus played a role. And I'm not alone.

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Mike G
Mike G

Nah

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Sulochan Dhungel
Sulochan Dhungel

You should probably see and hear stories about how Bezos's company has been treating his employees at the Amazon fulfillment centers. I'm surprised that this guy who knows about marxism and economic class with so fluency doesn't know that part about Amazon and how their dignities are robbed, by making people wear diapers at work! Amazon would still be very profitable even if they don't do these practices, but they choose to do so! And it's not recent where he hasn't heard about it. It has been going on for years now. There you go, Joe Rogan, that's why Bezos is like the majority of businessmen, now you can decide if he's good or bad.

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Stout Lager
Stout Lager

Let's open this up with elephants... ha! Kidding though. This is a great interview. I like James Lindsay a lot and have read a couple of his books.

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Secret Horse
Secret Horse

Wokeness is a cult. The proof for me is that woke people entrench themselves further into their dogma when questioned. All criticism emboldens their beliefs. This is behavior mostly specific to people who've been reprogrammed.

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John Dallara
John Dallara

Who here sees that the vast majority of this crazy thinking is coming from the left and is willfully not checked by journalists. This outcome is a byproduct of all crazy thinking from the right being instantly checked and scrutinized .....as it should be. The MSM is the driver asleep at the wheel, and nobody cares. The MSM is the problem.

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Cornelius Rupert
Cornelius Rupert

As a middle schooler, my class went to a planetarium. They simulated a fly over of Mars and every student had a joystick to collectively steer the craft. When it changed from autopilot to group control, it instantly nose-dived into the ground. And I grew up with 56k.

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Mistah Beety
Mistah Beety

"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." - Hermann Hesse

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M Igorpan20
M Igorpan20

Why does nobody take into account luck when it comes to life outcome lol

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M Igorpan20
M Igorpan20

Does anybody else find it weird that having head trauma made this guy not be able to taste and smell and so does COVID-19.... kinda weird and interesting.

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Caterina Pia Naclerio
Caterina Pia Naclerio

cuco

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Hokie200proof
Hokie200proof

The discussion beginning at 1:01:32 is a very important part of this whole movement.

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Nick Wilson
Nick Wilson

I can kinda understand an autistic person purposefully doing something that would show they are autistic to an extent. I was in an accident when I was 15, I have brain damage and memory issues as a result and I'll tell people I first meet typically, not because I want pitty but rather I want the person to know I'm not blatantly stupid but instead something happened that makes me seem unintelligent.

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Kristóf Attila Jordán
Kristóf Attila Jordán

Its all confusion for the sake of control, its fucking brilliant tbh.

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N L
N L

Only those with micro-brains believe in microaggressions.

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LostIn Space
LostIn Space

1:44:24 Joe Rogan: but thats star "track" On par with Bill Burr and "Pokemons"

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Dr. Gainzzz
Dr. Gainzzz

Btw if you search for this podcast james name doesn't even pop up lol

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Nationalist Populist Redneck
Nationalist Populist Redneck

George Floyd still died of heart complications. Read the toxicology report, he had fentanyl and meth in his system.

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MindyKay
MindyKay

Swear to God, it's just like Scientology!!!

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MindyKay
MindyKay

Why am I watching these two WHITE OBVIOUSLY PRIVELAGED MEN, MANSPLAIN to me!?!? 🤣🤣🤣 Kidding! But I know someone who clicked the video thought it!!!😆

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MindyKay
MindyKay

Yes! "looking at themselves" then writing a blog or book about it. Doesn't mean it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

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Miguel Suarez-solis
Miguel Suarez-solis

It drives me fucking nuts that Joe doesn't understand why saying all lives matter as a response to black lives matter is a problem...

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Shin Diors
Shin Diors

I'm just responding to the part in your conversation where James mentioned that putting unqualified students by lowering standards in a school that they would under-perform would lead to them not being able to find a job worthy of the education. The leftists genius can always find solution with their wallpaper covering hole approach, unqualified graduates into job market, no problem, let's do racial quota in the name of AA in job market as well, whola, hole covered. Also this explains quite well why now there are so many push for critical theory training and stuff, what can those graduates from "gender studies" do except doing corporate trainings or research for nonsense like that. In a way, they create an industry for themselves, unlike entrepreneurs who created useful stuff that actually contributes to the society in a meaningful way, the creation by these folks creates conflicts out of nowhere and only benefit themselves.

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Wolfgang Haak
Wolfgang Haak

This is one of the most important pieces explaining current affairs.

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liggel04
liggel04

This conversation should be mandatory viewing for anyone involved in modern life in America

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Miguel Suarez-solis
Miguel Suarez-solis

Men and women have different shapes hips... Women's hips are wider making their legs naturally come together and men are the opposite. Narrow hips make legs want to spread out

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Sapper 12B
Sapper 12B

If the end result is not equal then it must be racist so what if there's a bunch of black people and Mexican people and Asian people and like three white people are they going to stop hiring people of those ethnicities and bring in a bunch of white people that may or may not be qualified?

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Sapper 12B
Sapper 12B

If a mass voluntary weight loss pill would be genocide then how in the hell is it not considered murder when "she" loses all this weight and becomes him? You see i can say she because I'm referring to something Linda did lindo had nothing to do with it so .... Yeah right? I'm talking about a whole different person by their view, so is that why deadnaming is so painful? Because it brings up horrible memories of the blood on their hands?

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RubiconFOX
RubiconFOX

Dude looks kind of like steven crowder, great podcast :D

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Fred Polis
Fred Polis

The best Rogan podcast of 2020

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Word Ninja
Word Ninja

Yes! Speak the truth! I hope it does 'break itself' because I'm not gonna comply. Anyone else here in Sept 2020?

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kledo5778
kledo5778

So guess what. The George Floyd case also turned out to be more complicated than it seemed. He was completely out of his mind high on fentanyl, didn't die of asphyxiation, was complaining about not being able to breathe before being on the ground AND even asked to be put on the ground instead of being put in the car. Most heinous of all, the media knew this because they were able to see all of the footage before the public did, yet they treated it like it was just "another" racist police murder case.

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Pink Blonde Keto Chick
Pink Blonde Keto Chick

And if you point it out, you’re apparently a racist.

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Leafy Greens
Leafy Greens

... gold casket and 3 funerals....yeah we sure know how to pick our heroes.

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Introvert
Introvert

Just put toilet water on it

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Philip J Fry
Philip J Fry

Judge not by skin color but by content of character REEEEEEEEEE your a white male priviledge REEEEEE wtf happened to the left they are so crazy now.

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M W
M W

Sign the petition against critical race theory in federal govt https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-critical-race-theory-federal-government

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dom keithley
dom keithley

dude sounds like jamie

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Peepo Dot Dia
Peepo Dot Dia

It’d be refreshing if they’d admit that all of these things are blatant attacks on whites.

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Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

Spectacular episode! I’m so glad you had James Lindsay on the show. I just wish his episode would get as many views as the celebrities’.

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Dominic Wilson
Dominic Wilson

Stephen Colbert that's who I want to see on the show

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Rob
Rob

Let’s gooooooooo

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COPPIPER
COPPIPER

Speaking to the portion when cutting a video clip to fit a narrative was discussed, this is a good example of how a person with any type of agenda can manipulate people into seeing what the other person wants. https://youtu.be/k6QgNuZcxTw

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